Alpine Opinion

Supermarket appeals dismissed

Posted in Alpine Shire Council, Bright Australia, Coles debate by Ray Dixon on 18 July, 2008

Coles will benefit Bright, says VCAT     

* Positive impact on community

* Flow-on benefits to smaller retailers

It’s been a long wait but after a prolonged campaign and an extra-long appeal process, the Victorian Civil & Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) has finally handed down its decision on the Coles supermarket development in Gavan Street, Bright.

The council’s decision to approve the supermarket nearly 12 months ago has been upheld with only minor variations to design aspects.

The Alpine council and objectors were notified of the decision today and, courtesy of the council, I have been provided with a full copy of the 43 page document.

In its decision VCAT has dismissed - in no uncertain manner - ALL of the grounds on which the combined objectors Save Bright Action Group, Bright IGA, Bernece Delaney, Ros Pelley & Bev Gore had sought to have the decision overturned.

The full VCAT decision can be downloaded HERE , but I’ve highlighted some of the key clauses below. My further comments appear at the foot:

(Planning) Policy considerations

51. Although we do acknowledge that Gavan Street does constitute a physical constraint to the integration of the centre, it is nevertheless a very easy stroll from one end of the centre to the other. We disagree with the submissions and evidence we received to the effect that the Town Centre is so removed from the review site that physical and functional integration between the two is not convenient.

53.  In our view, the location of a supermarket within the Gavan Street precinct, within the defined boundaries of the activity centre, directly opposite the Anderson Street precinct, and within a short and easy walking distance of the Town Centre precinct, is consistent with the planning scheme’s objective of maintaining a compact activity centre and is also consistent with the more detailed strategies of Bright Future.

Economic considerations

71.  We do not consider that the potential reduction in trade for the existing two supermarkets will lead to a community disbenefit. We see the existence of an additional supermarket as having a more positive impact for the community in providing consumer choice, employment and flow on effects from a reduction in escape expenditure, as well as the possible attraction of visitors resulting in possible increased spending within the wider retail area.

72.  We do not consider that the location of the store on the edge of the Town Centre will have an impact on linked trips. We do not draw such a marked distinction as some did regarding the types of shops in Gavan Street and those in Ireland Street. The location of the supermarket we consider will lead to a possible better link with a change in Anderson Street.

73.  Whilst there may be some vacant shops or businesses in the process of being sold, on several inspections of the Bright commercial centre our impression was not of a centre in decline. With an expectation that the new supermarket will increase spending retention in the catchment we expect that this will have a flow on benefit to other small retailers, although there may be a resultant change of focus by the smaller retailers.

74.  It is acknowledged that in recent years there has been an impact on trading in the area due to bushfires, drought and a reduction in the ski season. A variety of businesses are tied up with various aspects of the region and it is expected that to continue to operate such businesses may need to reposition themselves or refocus in the market. We expect that as a result, businesses that service a number of the industries in the area, will also evolve and refocus. This in our view does not lead to a community disbenefit.

Urban design issues

84.  For the reasons we have outlined previously, we are satisfied that the proposal has responded appropriately to the strategic context of the site. We are also satisfied that the design of this proposal has responded to its physical context. In broad terms, we have also concluded that the adoption of a contemporary design theme for the development is to be preferred to an approach that seeks to incorporate a mix of contemporary and more traditional treatments.

88.  The presentation of a retail frontage to Gavan Street is not only desirable from a visual perspective, but is also desirable in terms of creating activity and movement along the street. The proposal does not achieve an optimal outcome in this respect, but on balance and in the context of the need to make appropriate provision for on site car parking, loading and unloading, we think it is acceptable.

89.  The opportunity to take advantage of the site’s frontage to Star Road to provide for loading/unloading is in our view, an appropriate design response. While all parties agreed that Star Road is the site’s secondary frontage, we did receive submissions that the road does perform an important function in terms of providing access, including pedestrian access to the river to the north, and walking tracks along the river. It was submitted that the pedestrian experience on Star Road would be compromised by the introduction of a substantial built form and utilitarian infrastructure associated with loading and unloading facilities. The review site was also identified by objectors as an entry point in to Bright from Back Porepunkah Road and the proposal would create a negative image of the town for those approaching from the north.

90.  The western side of Star Road will change significantly as a consequence of this development but we have not been persuaded that the quality of the pedestrian experience, or the appreciation of Bright’s unique qualities will be significantly impacted upon by the proposal. Contributing to our findings on this point is the fact that the proposal does not replace a building or space which makes any positive contribution to Bright’s village ambiance. The existing condition of the site, being effectively the hotel car park, does not enhance the pedestrian experience. It is also significant that for a pedestrian heading north along Star Road, the commercial area of Bright is effectively left behind once the pedestrian passes the site and approaches Riverside Avenue, at which point the environs of the river assumes prominence over the more urban context of the activity centre. The proposal has no adverse impact on that enjoyment of the river environs beyond the site.

91.  Similarly, when entering the town from the north, the view lines from Back Porepunkah Road and the bridge over the river toward the review site, are quite limited for both pedestrians and drivers. The review site does not assume a visual presence until one has in effect arrived at the edge of Bright, and it is in that urban context that the presentation of the supermarket to Star Road will be viewed.

92.  During the course of the hearing, the applicant presented a number of design treatments intended to soften the inevitable utilitarian form of a supermarket’s “back of house” facilities. We are satisfied that these treatments are sufficient to achieve an acceptable presentation to Star Road.

93.  We are also satisfied that the proposal’s interface treatment to the site’s residential neighbours has been adequately resolved.

Comment:

This decision totally vindicates the Alpine council’s decision to issue an approval for the Coles supermarket development. Moreover, it absolutely rejects in no uncertain terms ALL of the objections raised by Save Bright and others.

Contrary to their claims that the Coles supermarket would create further ’doom & gloom’ for Bright retailers and destroy the amenity and social fabric of Bright, VCAT has clearly spelled out that, in their view, it will have a completely opposite effect and will provide HUGE BENEFITS for Bright.

Quite frankly, this is what I and quite a few others have been saying since day one.

Bright DOES need this development, not just for the reasons outlined by the Tribunal, but also to kick start a much needed and long overdue contemporary upgrade of the CBD.

Hopefully this will lead to other renewal projects and a revitalised and re-energised shopping centre that will act as a magnet for locals, outlying residents and tourists alike.

HOWEVER, it now falls to the Alpine council, be it this one or (most likely) the one we elect later this year, to GET A MOVE ON  with the implementation of the improvements to the Bright CBD as detailed in the Bright Future Project – especially the long awaited Village Square around the clock tower.

Finally, I appeal to those who have fought this development for so long and so hard to now finally acknowledge that new developments like this ARE good for Bright and to get behind the drive to bring this beautiful town into the 21st century to ensure both its improved livability and economic survival.

Let’s ‘bury the hatchet’ and move forward.

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  1. Heike said, on 18 July, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Hooray- Common Sense has prevailed at VCAT – Well Done VCAT, this development will be beneficial to Bright and the wider area.!! I’m also looking forward to all the new employment opportunities in a town that is sadly lacking in full time work opportunities.

  2. Andrew Davis said, on 18 July, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Ray,

    agree with you – “bury the hatchet and move forward” – but I think the nonsense is just about to begin – even bigger then before. Be prepared for more lies and blame.

    I just cannot see Save Bright and company just accepting this decision and then moving on. More and more protests and I gather – a community request to boycott the place will be next.

    Perhaps, all of the supporters for this project will now come out of their closet?!

  3. Dave from Albury said, on 18 July, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    You’d have to hope that, after being so conclusively dismissed, the Save Bright group would be big enough to accept that their views aren’t supported by the facts. Hopefully they won’t seek to waste any more of the ratepayers’ money by attempting to take this any further.

  4. raydixon said, on 18 July, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    I think they’ll now move on to this strange Cittaslow idea – which is a back-door to controlling (or unduly influencing) council decisions.

    I wonder if they’ll put anything up on their website?

  5. Andrew Davis said, on 18 July, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Come on Ray, you should know by now – Save Bright and Co. go in hiding.

    I bet though, the members of Save Bright have already been to this site to see if you have posted the results.

    Well done Ray – you do keep the community informed very well and I thoroughly enjoy this site. Keep up the good work.

  6. Noel Stone said, on 18 July, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    May I add my congratulations over a fight well fought by you!

    You have doggedly rebutted the naysayers and I now sincerely hope that this development will be the beginnings of a renaissance for Bright.

    As a Myrtlefordite all I can say is we’ll miss the extra dollars that flowed into town from the shoppers in Bright who elected over the years to patronise our retail area.

    Doubtless Coles will link with Shell in Bright to offer the 4cent saving on fuel, so you can see how competition will begin to flow to other areas of the business community.

    As to the looming council elections I suspect that the Save Bright group will field candidates however I suspect their past negativity will work against them – I hope so!

    Again, well done!

  7. John Robinson said, on 18 July, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Andrew Said: Perhaps all the supporters will now come out of their closet.

    Remember Andrew the Council’s Notice Of Planning Application” only called for objections not for supporters. There are many supporters out there for the project who have quietly sat back and allowed the correct process to take its course and have trusted in their council and VCAT to make what is clearly the correct and just decision over this application.

    I think John Carter and his team at the council are to be congratulated on the absolute professional way they have handled this whole process. Like you and others I sincerely hope for the good of this town that personal indifferences on this issue can now be put aside so that we can move on and capitalise on the benefits and confidence this decision will give for the future development of Bright.

    I only hope that with the overall uncertainty in our country’s overall economic climate, that the developer’s do not decide to hold off fom commencing this project now approval has been given.

  8. Andrew Davis said, on 18 July, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    John,

    Thats what I mean – supporters may come out now that the ordeal is fairly well over (for the time being anyhow).

    I’ll be at The Alpine for happy hour having a quiet celebration beer if anyone wants to join me. I’ll be near the fire place keeping warm.

  9. dawson said, on 18 July, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    It will be interesting to see what spin SB puts on this.
    I’m betting they’ll take some of the concessions council won from the developers prior to the decision and use these to prove that SB’s actions resulted in a much better outcome.
    The only trouble with this line is they have consistently denied that council made ANY changes to the original proposal – but I’m sure that they’re busy rewriting history as we speak.
    Surely they won’t pass the hat around and try for the Supreme Court – they scarcely had enough in the bank for this case (and the VCAT decision has some pretty big hints that the SC would support council).

  10. raydixon said, on 18 July, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I can’t see SaveBright going to the Supreme Court, Dawson, it’d cost too much. But if IGA go that way I think we’d now be justified in suggesting a boycott of them !

    We might have to organise car pools to Myrtleford yet.

  11. Andrew Davis said, on 18 July, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    The next few days will be interesting to read the thoughts and comments from Save Bright.

    I do feel so sorry for the people (mums, dads, grandparents) who handed out their hard earned cash to support a concept/idea/absolutely stupid thoughts of a group of people. I think they are the hardest hit!

    Lets see if Lee, Wal and their mates care to join this blog…………

  12. raydixon said, on 18 July, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Well, they need to make some kind of public statement, Andrew. Win, lose or draw, if you play the public game you gotta face the public when it’s over.

  13. Andrew Davis said, on 18 July, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Thats true Ray, but the history of these guys has been “head in sand” when the hard questions were asked.

    Now they have to face a defeat!

  14. Andrew Davis said, on 18 July, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Well, gotta go to Happy Hour for my celebration drink – who knows – perhaps a Save Bright member may be there???????

    I’ll ask what the next move is.

  15. raydixon said, on 18 July, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Still nothing on Save Bright’s website. It states:

    Latest news: 16-5-08
    Safeway knocked back in Mt Evelyn.

    Umm no, that’s not the “latest news”.Time to update boys.
    Oh, but updating is a foreign concept I suppose – to those who’d rather we go “slow”.

  16. Molly aka Supergirl said, on 19 July, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    And about time! A victory for the town, the district, and most of all, we the public who demand lower priecs and better customer service because god knows we havent had much of either for a long long time.
    Tourists will love Coles. Having spoken to many over the months, they all say they welcome Coles with open arms as they usually “STOCK” up in Myrtleford en route to Bright on holidays as most retailers in Bright chargel like wounded bulls and virtually everything in Bright is over priced. Its basically daylight robbery. Shame on the greedy retailers taking advantage of locals and tourists alike.
    I have been very pro Coles from day one, when all the underhand sccheming and nasty stuff was going on wirth imported trouble making protesters, deceit and malicious lies coming from a feral suspect group known as “SAVE BRIGHT” ..all along we believed that truth and justice would prevail. And it has !!!
    The arguments back then .. village atmosphere . . .LONG GONE.. tourists are against it. . COMPLETE RUBBISH , other shops will suffer. .FALLLACY .. LOWER YOUR PRICES AND DONT RIP PEOPLE OFF AND YOU WONT SUFFER .. .locals dont want Coles … LOCALS WERE TOO INTIMIDATED BY BULLIES AND WERE AFRAID TO SAY THEY WANTED COLES . .. the IGA has had it too good for far too long , gone are the days of arrogance , bullies and stand over tactics. . .Bright is a town, a big town and its growing and more competition is needed. Well done Coles, and rest assured that a majority of locals and tourists are very pleased with this excellent outcome.
    Democracy at work .. great to see.

  17. Tim said, on 20 July, 2008 at 8:38 am

    I have no idea if a Coles supermarket is good for Bright or not but I would like to add this insight. We live in Potts Point in Sydney and travel to our holiday home in Dinner Plain on a regualar basis. We do all our shopping in Bright and are always impressed by the high quality of fruit and veg at the IGA.

    We have a Woolies and a Coles on our doorstep in Potts Point/Kings Cross and believe me when I tell you that the fresh produce is often complete crap. I have even been told by the manager of Woolies that his store is meant to get the premium quality items!! I would hate to see the standard quality if this is true.

    We have also noticed at Coles over the past few months that their own branded products have substanitally increased and this has been at the expense of a greater variety of brands.

    Bright and the surrounding district is in our opinion one of the most beautiful parts of our country, we hope to be lucky enough to live in the Alpine Shire one day. One of the very appealing things about Bright is its charming appearance and one of the things that differential it from other country towns that do have the big names supermarkets etc and perhaps this is why the tourists love it. I just hope that Coles is going to be the good thing for the town of Bright that many of you seem to think it will be but I do have my reservations. Anyway fingers crossed and good luck.

  18. raydixon said, on 20 July, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Thanks Tim for that insight from Australia’s most expensive suburb, Potts Point. I’m surprised this issue would stir you to comment. Anyway IGA is certainly a “big name” supermarket too and somehow I don’t think having a Coles here as well is going to put any tourists off.

    I’m sorry to hear your local supermarkets are crap. Maybe try shopping in less expensive suburbs where the supermarkets are usually bigger, the produce fresher and the prices cheaper.

    I hope you move here soon and invest some of the proceeds of your Potts Point home sale where, as I understand it, the average price is about $10 million. But I’d suggest you invest in Bright, not Dinner Plain, we’re a real town with a real future.

  19. John Robinson said, on 20 July, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Tim you may be right regarding quality of product at your Coles and Woolies although my wife and I have not noticed that problem at their stores in the North East that we visit. We are also not personally over keen on the proliferation and the spread of Coles own branded products and other generic lines at the expense of some of the traditionally branded products, but at least it will introduce decent competition and choice in our town and hopefully a little more competative pricing by our own IGA. If this happens then we the consumer can then select the brands that suit us the best at either of the supermarkets and at competative prices.

  20. Tim said, on 20 July, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Ray, I did not say our supermarkets were crap in Potts Point I said the fresh produce is often crap. I am only pointing this out because from your comments on other subjects you do not like to be mis-quoted, besides you will be happy to hear that we eat out most nights so it does not affect us. One of the things we enjoy so much about the Alpine Shire and in particular Dinner Plain is that it is a complete contrast to our Sydney life, we enjoy trying to cook what we buy in Bright but speaking of crap lets just say both my wife and I have a lot to learn when it comes to cooking but we have fun trying!

    You are certainly right about Potts Point property and yes it is great owning properties here but our move to the Alpine Shire is not too far off we hope. Probably not Bright however beacuse as beautiful as it is it is a little too hot and hectic during the summer for us.

    I also agree with John’s comment on competition and choice and I hope that is what you actually get with Coles.

    I note that you are at pains to point out on the ‘about this blog’ page that people in the Alpine Shire are afraid to speak out for fear of being shouted down, but you seem happy to do this yourself to the point that it appears people have stopped contributing and this adds nothing to a debate which is a shame.

    P.S. The snow at Hotham and Dinner Plain is fantastic at the moment so come on up for a slid or a ride.

  21. raydixon said, on 20 July, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Tim, I’m surprised to learn that Bright is hotter than Sydney in summer. It’s certainly not as humid.

    I’m not sure about your last paragraph (the one before the PS). Plenty of people have been speaking out here and (unfortunately) at Save Bright. They’ve only gone quiet since Friday.

    Contrary to what you imply, this website offers one of the few local forums of public debate where anyone can have their say, even anonymously … as you are.

    Thanks for the offer but I understand the road is closed right now.

  22. Herb said, on 21 July, 2008 at 8:04 am

    Bright more hot and hectic than Potts Point? I’d like to see that! Come on Tim who do you think you’re fooling? I smell something here – Could this be another nom de plume (or guerre) for our old friend “Wal Willow”? Also if you move to Dinner Plain you had better learn to cook in a hurry as the restaurant choice is not grand up there but at least I suppose it won’t be a hot and hectic as you perceive is the case with Bright.

  23. raydixon said, on 21 July, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Herb, I’m wondering how & why “Tim of Potts Point” got onto this thread. Also, he doesn’t sound like much of a fresh food expert, seeing as though he “eats out” most nights. Oh to live the high life overlooking Sydney Harbour rubbing shoulders with the rich & famous, eh! At least it’d be nice and peaceful up at DP over summer (a lot of flies though).

  24. alburywodongaonline said, on 21 July, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    what’s the bet every single one of the save-Brightians is shopping there within the week.
    They will when they realise the IGA “fresh” produce section looks more like the garden compost section.

  25. raydixon said, on 21 July, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I don’t know where they are AWOL. Well actually I nearly ran into a SaveBright spokesperson yesterday while I was walking down the main street, but he saw me coming and scrambled back into his shop. I won’t say who it was.

    I’d also like to hear from “S Edwards”, who previously had a lot to say here. I wonder what his position on this is now? Maybe he knows whether or not there’s going to be a Supreme Court appeal.

  26. Tim said, on 21 July, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    What a suspicious lot, no idea who Wal is but I get the point, you do not really want to hear from anyone whose opinion it different to your own, even if they are a rate payer in the Alpine Shire (opps please don’t get started on the whole rates and Dinner Plain issue again) and one who just spent over $8000 on new ski equipment and clothing in the Shire in the last week. To think I thought you would be more decent and welcoming than city folk – my mistake.
    So good luck to you all with Coles and enjoy attacking each other and stifling opinion, I won’t waste my time or yours any further by checking your site again.

  27. raydixon said, on 21 July, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    On the contrary Tim, we’ve enjoyed your little visit from Potts Point. Thanks for dropping in and ‘patronising’ us. What was your “opinion” by the way? Oh that’s right, you just wanted to put a plug in for IGA. Well, you’ve done that. Thanks, bye.

  28. Andrew Davis said, on 21 July, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Save Bright are yet to update their website………..

    Todays Border Morning Mail has published the letter from Ros Pelly, but is she Save Bright or just someone against the development?

  29. Julie-Ann said, on 21 July, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Well its been a long time since I jumped in here.

    First I would like to say that the new vcat decision to have Coles in Bright is great! I guess I always beleived that it would happen, its even better to see it in writting.

    I am a little suprised over the response to Tim from Potts Point. Sorry, but poor Tim was jumped on which is sad. I have read over the above passage several times and was suprised at the comments left after his msg. I would like to thank Tim for investing in Bright and hope he continues to visit.

    Julie Ann

  30. raydixon said, on 21 July, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Andrew, Ms Pelley is a founding Save Bright member and a sometimes spokesperson. I’ll publish the full letter tonight – it’s shameful & pious.

    Julie-Ann, Good to hear from you but “Tim” is not for real in my opinion. Nothing he says adds up and he’s most likely one of the objectors (I think I know who).

  31. Matt said, on 22 July, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Yeah Im thinkin Coles will be good for us if it brings jobs for young people. I can only get seasonal work and new jobs would be good.
    I agree with Julie-ann about you attack on Tim its poor form mate and I reckon you are dead wrong Ray as Im pretty sure I do know who he is as a bloke called Tim spent up big for his family with new gear where I work not long ago and I asked where he was from and he told me Potts Point. I did not know where that was until he said it was near Kings Cross in Sydney.
    I got the feeling he was pretty rich as he paid out of savings instead of credit but he seemed a real nice bloke and his famiily were preety cool but going after a bloke cos he lives in a expensive place and has property in Dinner Plain instead of Bright is not cool mate.

  32. raydixon said, on 22 July, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Thanks Matt. By the way, why is your computer address the same as Tim’s? That means you’re the same person. What are you trying to do? Well obviously you’re just out to discredit me. Tim’s a phoney and so are you.

  33. s edwards said, on 22 July, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Ray
    cant say for sure ii dont think they know yet
    ii dont think they will want to hold it up further but the judgement had some very unusual aspects to it
    talking to them i think they could pursue their concerns about the judgement and earlier process through other avenues which wont hold anything up

  34. raydixon said, on 22 July, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Thanks SE. I’m not sure what that means but at least it sounds like there’ll be no Supreme Court appeal … which is good.

  35. Matt said, on 23 July, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    OMG thats wild, Im spending my two free days on the mountain with my girl whose working here and like yesterday I am using a publicly available computer that a lot of people use as theres only a couple up here so pls spare me the conspiracy theroy cos Im outta here and yeah Im real

  36. raydixon said, on 23 July, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Matt, your computer IP matches one of your fellow Save Brighters. But like, yeah – you’re umm, real !

  37. bert said, on 25 July, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Gawd RD this thing isnt over yet i just heard some of the background behind the scenes the objectors are a bit like the Spartan 300 they will fight on and on
    Got told too the IGA wants a full dis closure of the Councils involvement over the last 4 years and they and sb have the ear of some important people

  38. raydixon said, on 25 July, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    It could get interesting then, Bert. And they wonder why I stay on their backs?

    Well, I sort of thought their silence and lack of any acknowledgement that VCAT might have got it right was an indication they were going to keep it up. All the way to the election I suppose.

    I wonder if Mr S E could shed any more light on what you just said. I don’t expect to hear from Lee, he’s too busy writing mysterious unsigned letters, I believe.

  39. Supergirl aka Molly said, on 26 July, 2008 at 11:27 am

    “Thanks Matt. By the way, why is your computer address the same as Tim’s? That means you’re the same person. What are you trying to do? Well obviously you’re just out to discredit me. Tim’s a phoney and so are you.”

    Well caught Ray !! they will stop at nothing! as for a supreme court appeal.. forget it. They will lose ( the SB radical ferrals & self promoting shop owners) and then they will have to pay Coles legal costs as well… thousands of dollars ! But if they are foolish and stupid enough to keep on wasting time and money then go for it.
    Such a shame to see the BIG FISH in a small pond have lost the race. These arrogant locals – radical protesters and shop owners – are delusional . they think they have some importance in the town, think being the operative word here, but hey .. wake up and lookl around you. . you are just like everyone else.. just as small and just as insignificant.. no better no worse.. and YOU anti Coles mob do not call the shots and control how the majority of us think and what the majority of us want.
    Of course Coles will be fantatsic for Bright.

    The fake Tim from Potts Point. . lol . . how transparent are Save Bright..Bunch of dirty dread locked ferals think only their opinion matters ? think their lies will be believed ? think they own the town ?? think again.

    Tim.. buy your fruit and veg at the fruit shop or grow your own…most hippy ferals are right into growing plants.

    Matt . . your so transparent your a joke.

    I will never go inside the IGA again when Coles opens.

    Why ? Oh Tim, the IGA is a multi national… yes it is.
    Just like Coles, and Shell and Caltex etc etc. . as you know.

    Rock on Coles. The monopoly is and stranglehold is coming to an end. I will still use the little Foodworks .. its cheap and the service is great.
    But the IGA?
    never.
    And thats the opinon of many .. but the IGA has brought this on themselves and will now pay the price.
    Too much arrogance & too much over priced food for decades.
    Rock on Coles.

    Gee Tim/Matt .. is the snow good this year? must pop up to Falls and check it out. Thanks for the update.

  40. Supergirl aka Molly said, on 26 July, 2008 at 11:34 am

    And Ros Pelley? someone was asking above? she doesnt know if shes for or against Coles either !!
    She just jumps on causes .. any cause will do. . she wants to be important, you know the type, into causes and causing more trouble (trees in Bakers Gully Road.. anyone remember that fiasco? )

    A wanna be, who needs to feel like shes a somebody . . the try hard factor is alive and kicking in Bright.. but is just as small and insignificant as the rest of us, definately no better thats for sure.

  41. Supergirl aka Molly said, on 29 July, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I am longing to shop in Coles in Bright. . for the obvious reasons, quality food/products/ , low prices, choice, service,, etc… but I am redally longing to shop in Coles so I can see all the protesters doing the same thing !! shopping in Coles.

    And they will.

    Just like al the feral protesters at Torquay re Maccas.. . their battered old bombs are observed parked there day and night.

    Now I wonder who will be the first game enough to sneak in after dark and grab a special or two ? lol. .. your all such a crock and so fake.

    Have a nice day SB . . you really are a disgrace to the town with your lying deceit and dirty tactics. . . such a sham.

  42. Supergirl aka Molly said, on 29 July, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Oh and whoops. . I forgot the masses of tourists who god forbid, wont go near Coles!! oh no .,. “we hate Coles ” …. well thats only if you believe Save Bright of course.

    Coles will be jumping with tourists . . in this economic climate when many are struggling to put food on the table, are we all to believe that tourists who are used to Coles lower prices and choice are going to bypass the cheaper prices and shop in the local rip off joint where service and manners are non existent? lol lol lol

    You arrogant people ripped locals and tourists off for years. You employed and sacked at will, your arrogance wont be forgotten, your prices are horrific, and with food doubling in price over the next 12 months, the sooner we have competition the better off we will all be.

  43. s edwards said, on 1 August, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Ray
    very interesting i see the ACCC report on grocery pricing is epected to recommend to the federal govt competion rules which would prevent Coles or Woolworths entering a town like Bright
    Similar to the UK and reported in todays Financial Review
    May be too late for us objectors – or is it?
    Certaintly backs up Save Brights stance but i guess legislation might be six months off

  44. raydixon said, on 1 August, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    No, I think you’ve misinterpreted that SE, perhaps intentionally. The recommendations are to stop Coles & Woolies preventing others like Metcash/IGA setting up in the same centres.

    There is no suggestion whatsoever that the ACCC will recommend the big 2 be prevented from entering towns like Bright and setting up against IGA. Why would they? That’s actually anti-competitive.

    Sorry, you’re grasping at straws (after the event too). Cheers.

    Click on this link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=awJQc1ZzxQcY&refer=australia

  45. s edwards said, on 1 August, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    No Ray
    Read the Financial Review it is in far greater depth and is seperate to the restrictive leases issue
    It all relates to what they call greenfield sites and a competition test for them
    so that Coles and Woolies dont increase market share simply by building 20 stores each year
    As i said very similar to UK situation and intended to promote fair competition

  46. s edwards said, on 1 August, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    The Financial Review also states it would be a big boost for smaller traders in smaller market areas

  47. John Robinson said, on 1 August, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Was advised yesterday that one of the owners ( I won’t mention his name) has sold his share in the Bright IGA. Maybe S.Edwards can throws some light on that.

  48. raydixon said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    SE, the Fin Review article is only available to subscribers. But anyway, from what you’ve said it’s about greenfield sites, ie sites that are well away from the CBD.

    Again, I think you’re clutching at a straw (that is in a glass of sour grapes perhaps?)

    No doubt it’ll be in the AGE & HS soon, so I’ll check it out, but I somehow doubt the ACCC recommendations would have stopped Coles coming to Bright in that location.

  49. s edwards said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    John not correct
    Ray —– greenfield sites are any new development CBDor not
    Its not sour grapes to say SB arguments were on the button too late or not
    Time will tell but very interesting all the same

  50. raydixon said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    SE, this is from The Australian:

    The findings will be delivered to Competition Policy and Consumer Affairs Minister Chris Bowen on Thursday.

    Mr Bowen is expected to release the hotly anticipated document next week.

    Citi analyst Craig Woolford said he expected the ACCC to recommend the introduction of a competition test similar to one recently introduced in Britain to limit the growth of supermarkets in areas where they have a dominant market position.

    The British test applies to development of new stores of greater than 1000 square metres and considers the market within a 10-minute drive of the site.

    The new supermarket is only given approval if the chain is a new entrant, if there are four or more existing large stores in the area, or if there are three or fewer existing large stores and the retailer developing the new store would hold less than 60% of the market.

    That would clearly mean the Coles proposal for Bright would be approved. Sorry SE, nice try.

  51. John Robinson said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Thanks SE, I will go back to the source of the info

  52. raydixon said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    PS, think about it SE. If the ACCC prevented Coles coming to Bright that would leave Bright IGA as the only supermarket over 1,000 sq mts in the area, giving Bright IGA a monopoly of the local market.

    And that is anti-competitive and totally contrary to the ACCC’s charter.

    Why can’t you just concede that VCAT got it right when they said that Coles would benefit the Bright community? It’s about time someone from your side of the debate did.

  53. s edwards said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    No Ray Coles are gunning for more than 60%- so no approval

  54. Dave from Albury said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    But they are a new entrant, so the other tests are moot, it’d pass.

  55. raydixon said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    “Gunning” for more than 60% in a two supermarket town? That’s just your interpretation. Any reasonable person would see it as a 50/50 situation and may the best man win.

    I don’t think there’s anyone except the anti-competitive Save Brighters who would agree with you, SE.

  56. raydixon said, on 1 August, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    By SE’s interpretation Dave, the ACCC might not only prevent Coles from coming to Bright they might also close the Bright IGA down because it’s got more than 60% of the local market … a lot more.

  57. BrowserBob said, on 3 August, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    No, no … SE is right. The ACCC will recommend a special retrospective law be introduced just to keep Bright a one supermarket town – IGA. It will be known as “The Bright Rule” and will read:

    Henceforth and forever in the town of Bright Victoria, no store selling grocery items, packaged liquor, vegetables, milk, dairy products, frozen foods, meat and assorted nick-nacks shall be permitted to open (other than the Bright IGA) within a 20 km radius of the Bright clock tower. ACCC price-monitoring will not apply to Bright as there will be no other supermarkets with which to compare prices. Oh, and signs shall be erected at the entry points reading “Warning do not bring food and other supermarket items into this town”. A gate is to be erected and the police are to check all vehicles entering the town to ensure they comply. Restaurants in Bright must also purchase ALL their supplies from Bright IGA.

    It’s only fair … and you know it’s right!

  58. raydixon said, on 3 August, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Sounds reasonable to me.

  59. Supergirl aka Molly said, on 3 August, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    This means that there wont be any obese people in Bright due to starvation due to being unable to afford the massive price hikes at the IGA.
    Sounds reasonable to me too.

  60. raydixon said, on 3 August, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Yep, SE’s got something there. Why let ANY competition into town? it’s just not fair.

  61. s edwards said, on 3 August, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Very humourous Ray
    Anyway its good to see you have brought back Supergirl and Browser Bob

  62. raydixon said, on 3 August, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Please don’t try to get sarcastic with me SE, it doesn’t become you. I realise you don’t want to acknowledge it but the fact is that most people do not agree with your position. And it is very hypocritical, as someone who uses a nom-de-plume, to accuse others of doing the same. I post here under MY OWN NAME and you do not.

  63. Wal said, on 13 October, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Hi Ray,

    I’ve just been reading through all these nasty and vindictive comments by yourself, “Dawson”, John Robinson, Andrew Davis and Molly.

    You ran a pretty negative campaign really.

    You put a lot of effort into it, a lot indeed.

    Do you think it was worth it?

    w.w.w.

  64. raydixon said, on 13 October, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I just read them again too, Wal, and you left out: Heike, Dave from Albury, Noel Stone, AWOL, Herb and some others.

    There’s nothing “nasty or vindictive” in those comments though, just some honest opinion – what’s your problem with that?

    Btw, I didn’t run a “campaign”, I merely responded to the one you ran. What is the point of your comment & question?

  65. Wal said, on 13 October, 2008 at 10:19 am

    I just highlighted the contributors who made some of the more unsavory comments.

    You “merely responded to the Save Bright campaign”??! What a cop-out. What do you call the multitude of posts you put up, bogus websites you created, and of course your fake hate-mail campaign? That’s a campaign if ever I there was one.

    So, to the point of my question – do you think it was all worth it?

  66. raydixon said, on 13 October, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Well yes Wal, it seems that responding to YOUR nasty, vicious, untrue, misleading, rubbish, negative and downright destructive campaign was well and truly worth it. But “bogus websites” & “fake hate-mail”?? Umm, that was Save Bright, not me.

    Anyway, what’s prompted all this anger from you well after the event? Do you believe Coles is not going ahead or something like that? If they don’t then you’ve won, so what’s the point of all this nasty, spitting invective you’re going on with?

    Btw, if Coles pulls out Woolies won’t!

  67. andrew crapper said, on 13 October, 2008 at 11:27 am

    (name deleted) you are at it again
    Lurking in the shadows so there is another big fight coming up

  68. raydixon said, on 13 October, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Be specific please ‘crapper’, what “big fight” are you referring to?

  69. raydixon said, on 13 October, 2008 at 11:47 am

    ‘WAL’ PLEASE READ

    I’ve stopped putting your comments through because you are just repeating yourself, insulting & abusing and you are not making any point.

    Btw, check your emails please… and respond if you have anything to add to the latest ’story’ that’s brewing. Otherwise just kindly bugger off please.


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