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	<description>News &#38; views on Bright, the Alpine Shire &#38; other things ... by Ray Dixon</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Dixon (Bright)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Dixon (Bright)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just seemed logical to me, Heide, that if the conditions applied to the whole State (as they did) then the worst fires with most potential to kill people would be close to Melbourne. History and common sense tells us that. 

It&#039;s tragic and the loss of life could be much higher than the 14 so far confirmed. The thing that bothers me is how those people in the Wandong &amp; Kinglake area for instance were not told to evacuate. It was an out of control fire-storm and no one should have been given the option of staying to defend their homes.

That said, as we speak a fire that started south of Beechworth late Saturday afternoon is now down as far as Myrtleford &amp; Rosewhite. It&#039;s actually headed this way. I doubt we&#039;ll see any loss of life because a weather change should take it away from Myrtleford and prevent it from threatening Bright, but we need to be alert. You can see the red glow and the massive pall of smoke outside, take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just seemed logical to me, Heide, that if the conditions applied to the whole State (as they did) then the worst fires with most potential to kill people would be close to Melbourne. History and common sense tells us that. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tragic and the loss of life could be much higher than the 14 so far confirmed. The thing that bothers me is how those people in the Wandong &amp; Kinglake area for instance were not told to evacuate. It was an out of control fire-storm and no one should have been given the option of staying to defend their homes.</p>
<p>That said, as we speak a fire that started south of Beechworth late Saturday afternoon is now down as far as Myrtleford &amp; Rosewhite. It&#8217;s actually headed this way. I doubt we&#8217;ll see any loss of life because a weather change should take it away from Myrtleford and prevent it from threatening Bright, but we need to be alert. You can see the red glow and the massive pall of smoke outside, take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Heike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Ray, incredibly tonight almost exactly what you have said here has occured. The massive firestorms that broke out yesterday were all in highly populated dense areas close to Melbourne (Kilmore, Wandong, Whittlesea, Marysville, Kinglake, Upper Beconsfield, Neerim) and unfortunately hundreds of homes are gone along with many deaths. Its unbelieveable. Its been a horrendous day and is still over 30 degrees now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Ray, incredibly tonight almost exactly what you have said here has occured. The massive firestorms that broke out yesterday were all in highly populated dense areas close to Melbourne (Kilmore, Wandong, Whittlesea, Marysville, Kinglake, Upper Beconsfield, Neerim) and unfortunately hundreds of homes are gone along with many deaths. Its unbelieveable. Its been a horrendous day and is still over 30 degrees now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Dixon (Bright)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Dixon (Bright)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Herb, he&#039;s a ..... best left unsaid! Firefighting has become one of the biggest growth industries in the country in the last 5 or 6 years and, you&#039;re right, it&#039;s the DSE &#039;empire building&#039; that is giving it a bad name. I can see a future State Govt (not this one) eventually privatising DSE&#039;s firefighting division. And then we&#039;ll have 6 week blazes around here every year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Herb, he&#8217;s a &#8230;.. best left unsaid! Firefighting has become one of the biggest growth industries in the country in the last 5 or 6 years and, you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s the DSE &#8216;empire building&#8217; that is giving it a bad name. I can see a future State Govt (not this one) eventually privatising DSE&#8217;s firefighting division. And then we&#8217;ll have 6 week blazes around here every year!</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, don&#039;t you find it ironic that Ewan Waller from DSE is advising &quot;people to stay out of the bush&quot;? This the same bloke who heads up the organisation that allowed the 2003 and 2006 lightning strikes to link up into the mega fires that they eventually became by not seriously attacking them early enough. This is also the same organisation who pursues (along with their tree hugging comradres in Parks Victoria) the &quot;lock it up and leave it&quot; approach to conservation of PUBLIC lands. Ewan Waller should be recognised for what he really is - a politically savvy bureaucrat who is intent on expanding his own organisation of PAID fire crews on the back of the public goodwill for the 56000 ODD majority volunteer CFA! His comments should therefore be judged for what they truly are - political spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, don&#8217;t you find it ironic that Ewan Waller from DSE is advising &#8220;people to stay out of the bush&#8221;? This the same bloke who heads up the organisation that allowed the 2003 and 2006 lightning strikes to link up into the mega fires that they eventually became by not seriously attacking them early enough. This is also the same organisation who pursues (along with their tree hugging comradres in Parks Victoria) the &#8220;lock it up and leave it&#8221; approach to conservation of PUBLIC lands. Ewan Waller should be recognised for what he really is &#8211; a politically savvy bureaucrat who is intent on expanding his own organisation of PAID fire crews on the back of the public goodwill for the 56000 ODD majority volunteer CFA! His comments should therefore be judged for what they truly are &#8211; political spin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Dixon (Bright)</title>
		<link>http://alpineopinion.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/stay-away-from-the-bush-melbourne/#comment-11576</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Dixon (Bright)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buster? Gee Noel, calm down, what&#039;s wrong, is the heat getting to you?

I think you&#039;ve missed the point of the post. This is a &#039;Statewide alert&#039; and it&#039;s not just confined to &#039;rural areas&#039; or to the north east. 

Melbourne is expecting a record temperature with &quot;revolting conditions&quot; (weather bureau&#039;s description, not mine) and there&#039;s already a big fire burning at Bunyip on the outer east of Melbourne that is predicted to threaten homes, yet the authorities have seen fit to warn people to stay away from &#039;rural areas&#039; even though being in Melbourne&#039;s outer suburbs clearly poses a greater danger to human life. 

The point is that nowhere is immune to fire risk tomorrow so why should the authorities be telling people not to go away for the weekend? And, I repeat, a fire up here is far less likely to take human life than one on Melbourne&#039;s outskirts, even it&#039;s deliberately lit behind my place in your worst case scenario (I&#039;d just jump in the pool, along with the &lt;strike&gt;females&lt;/strike&gt; guests).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buster? Gee Noel, calm down, what&#8217;s wrong, is the heat getting to you?</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve missed the point of the post. This is a &#8216;Statewide alert&#8217; and it&#8217;s not just confined to &#8216;rural areas&#8217; or to the north east. </p>
<p>Melbourne is expecting a record temperature with &#8220;revolting conditions&#8221; (weather bureau&#8217;s description, not mine) and there&#8217;s already a big fire burning at Bunyip on the outer east of Melbourne that is predicted to threaten homes, yet the authorities have seen fit to warn people to stay away from &#8216;rural areas&#8217; even though being in Melbourne&#8217;s outer suburbs clearly poses a greater danger to human life. </p>
<p>The point is that nowhere is immune to fire risk tomorrow so why should the authorities be telling people not to go away for the weekend? And, I repeat, a fire up here is far less likely to take human life than one on Melbourne&#8217;s outskirts, even it&#8217;s deliberately lit behind my place in your worst case scenario (I&#8217;d just jump in the pool, along with the <strike>females</strike> guests).</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, you try to support your argument by concentrating on only one part of someone&#039;s response to try to demonstrate your supposedly superior logic.

Don&#039;t bank on &quot;plenty of warning&quot;!  Let me pose a &quot;what if&quot; scenario.  

Some idiot decides to light a fire tomorrow close to Bright, let&#039;s say in the hills on either side of the Great Alpine Road near Grevillea Gardens (we&#039;ve had a few morons caught lately despite the restrictions &amp; fire ban days), it gets out of control fed by a screaming northerly wind with 45degree temperatures ,creating a fire storm heading into the heart of town.

Couldn&#039;t happen?  Think again, buster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you try to support your argument by concentrating on only one part of someone&#8217;s response to try to demonstrate your supposedly superior logic.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t bank on &#8220;plenty of warning&#8221;!  Let me pose a &#8220;what if&#8221; scenario.  </p>
<p>Some idiot decides to light a fire tomorrow close to Bright, let&#8217;s say in the hills on either side of the Great Alpine Road near Grevillea Gardens (we&#8217;ve had a few morons caught lately despite the restrictions &amp; fire ban days), it gets out of control fed by a screaming northerly wind with 45degree temperatures ,creating a fire storm heading into the heart of town.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t happen?  Think again, buster!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Dixon (Bright)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Dixon (Bright)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Noel, you&#039;d rather have no one visit Bright this weekend because there &#039;could&#039; be a fire event that (even if it happened) would most likely be far less dangerous than any fires in the Melbourne outer suburbs from where most of our customers come?

That doesn&#039;t make any sense. Going by your logic we&#039;d just shut the area down for the bulk of summer. Sheez.

As for your &#039;armageddon&#039; scenario, I think we&#039;d find refuge, Noel - and we&#039;d get plenty of warning. Canberra happened because the NSW Fire Authorities just ignored a threatening fire that had been burning for a few days.

We shouldn&#039;t let fear determine our destiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Noel, you&#8217;d rather have no one visit Bright this weekend because there &#8216;could&#8217; be a fire event that (even if it happened) would most likely be far less dangerous than any fires in the Melbourne outer suburbs from where most of our customers come?</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make any sense. Going by your logic we&#8217;d just shut the area down for the bulk of summer. Sheez.</p>
<p>As for your &#8216;armageddon&#8217; scenario, I think we&#8217;d find refuge, Noel &#8211; and we&#8217;d get plenty of warning. Canberra happened because the NSW Fire Authorities just ignored a threatening fire that had been burning for a few days.</p>
<p>We shouldn&#8217;t let fear determine our destiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 05:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are a bit too complacent!  Whilst history shows us that towns like Myrtleford and Bright have been spared in the past, that&#039;s not a guarantee we are exempt from danger.  This summer is particularly bad and could be a harbinger of things to come in future years.

Bright for one is at the neck of the Ovens Valley, surrounded by forest and pine plantations.  Should the unthinkable happen there&#039;d be a mad scramble to evacuate the town.  There would be the risk of panic and confusion, compounded by poor visibility from smoke and heavy road traffic.  Nobody would attempt to get out via Mt Hotham, so we&#039;d see a mass exodus via Myrtleford.  If Myrtleford was also under attack from surrounding pine plantations, then Gawd help us!  

It would be most unfortunate under the circumstances if people heeded your advice and got out of Melbourne and came up here to escape the heat and local conflagrations.  I for one would rather see us survive this summer free of serious public risk than having to contend with visitors who generally are not as fire savvy as us locals.

Don&#039;t say it can never happen - remember Canberra in 2003 - they thought they were safe too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are a bit too complacent!  Whilst history shows us that towns like Myrtleford and Bright have been spared in the past, that&#8217;s not a guarantee we are exempt from danger.  This summer is particularly bad and could be a harbinger of things to come in future years.</p>
<p>Bright for one is at the neck of the Ovens Valley, surrounded by forest and pine plantations.  Should the unthinkable happen there&#8217;d be a mad scramble to evacuate the town.  There would be the risk of panic and confusion, compounded by poor visibility from smoke and heavy road traffic.  Nobody would attempt to get out via Mt Hotham, so we&#8217;d see a mass exodus via Myrtleford.  If Myrtleford was also under attack from surrounding pine plantations, then Gawd help us!  </p>
<p>It would be most unfortunate under the circumstances if people heeded your advice and got out of Melbourne and came up here to escape the heat and local conflagrations.  I for one would rather see us survive this summer free of serious public risk than having to contend with visitors who generally are not as fire savvy as us locals.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t say it can never happen &#8211; remember Canberra in 2003 &#8211; they thought they were safe too!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Dixon (Bright)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Dixon (Bright)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too true, Greg. I recently visited my daughter, who has now moved back to her Ferntree Gully home, and it is much drier around there (the Dandenongs) than it is up here. People forget that the (quite heavily populated) Dandenong ranges &amp; surrounds have a very long history of raging and deadly bushfires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true, Greg. I recently visited my daughter, who has now moved back to her Ferntree Gully home, and it is much drier around there (the Dandenongs) than it is up here. People forget that the (quite heavily populated) Dandenong ranges &amp; surrounds have a very long history of raging and deadly bushfires.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Naylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have friends living at Greensborough near Eltham.  This is Hilly Woodlands country with high density housing built between the trees.  You look out the back window and all you can see is a potential bushfire disaster.  With all the little courts and winding streets, should a fire get in there, there will be a massacre as there is nowhere for the residents to escape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have friends living at Greensborough near Eltham.  This is Hilly Woodlands country with high density housing built between the trees.  You look out the back window and all you can see is a potential bushfire disaster.  With all the little courts and winding streets, should a fire get in there, there will be a massacre as there is nowhere for the residents to escape.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley (Bright)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesley (Bright)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Ray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Ray.</p>
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