Alpine Opinion

Message for Mark

Posted in Alpine Shire Council, Bright Australia, Bright Rod Run, business, tourism by Ray Dixon on 9 December, 2011

The headline from the front page lead story of the Bright Observer.

When you get elected to council your role is to listen to and consult the community. And, when you hold the so-called ‘portfolio’ of tourism & economic development - as Alpine councillor Mark Steven does - your role is especially to listen to and consult the tourism industry … and to represent their interests. Your role is not to come out with knee jerk opinions and ”recommendations” like Cr Steven has made on the front page of this week’s Bright Observer:  

Councillor recommends accommodation providers rethink excessive prices

Alpine Shire councillor Mark Steven, who also holds the tourism and economic development portfolio, said the annual rod run injected more than $2 million into Bright.

“Local businesses need to ask the question, do they want $2 million in town?” he said. “Other towns are trying very hard to get the rod run to go to them.”

He said each business was quite entitled to set their own price, but recommended that they did not push too far. Cr Steven said he understood why businesses didn’t want one-nighters, because changing beds and such became quite expensive. However, he said, the seven-night booking requirement was a bit excessive.

“Chances are, if the price is right, they might stay for seven nights anyway,” he added.

Comment:

I have to wonder if Cr Steven even discussed this matter with those he has the gall to lecture over “excessive prices”. What excessive prices does he think are being charged by Bright accommodation owners? I’m not aware of any ‘price gouging’ going on and I’d suggest our prices overall are reasonable and probably a lot less than other popular tourist spots like Daylesford, Castlemaine or Lorne or even non-tourist towns like Shepparton. 

As for the reported instance of one accommodation owner having a 7-night minimum requirement for the Rod event, well, that’s just one reported instance and my guess is it was probably a solitary holiday house owner looking to cash in on a big event. There’s no way that owners of established holiday units or motels - i.e. those who are actually in tourism - would have such a requirement and to even bring it up is just over-sensationalising what boils down to a fairly simple issue in my opinion.

The reality is that accommodation owners are easy targets for those who find it difficult to get a booking for the very popular Bright Rod Run and want to have a whinge about it. Here at GG we have, like most other owners, introduced a 3-night minimum, not due to any “profiteering” but simply because of the increasing demand for longer stays. I know when we took over GG back in 2002, most of our bookings for the event were for just two nights and that was fine until it became evident that the ’2-nighters’ (who would always re-book for the next year before departing) were actually denying others who genuinely wanted to stay for longer the opportunity to also enjoy the event. The 3-night minimum that we introduced in 2009 works well and is much fairer to all concerned. Not only have all our guests accepted it, most have even chosen to extend their booking to 4 nights.

I don’t know how this demand made by the Rod Club President - that rod entrants should be given the option of a 2-night minimum - can possibly work in practice. Maybe one of our larger motels, who was also quoted in the same article (see below), should convince the other similar sized motels in Bright to also take 2-nighters. Larger motels are certainly more suitable and geared for one or two night stays anyway but, as for the smaller self-contained establishments like GG, it is very unreasonable to expect them to participate in such a scheme. There’s a lot of a difference between owning and cleaning a small motel room and a 2-bedroom fully equiped self-contained apartment.

The proprietor of (a large Bright motel) said while it was up to the discretion of individual business owners, she believed a two-night minimum was appropriate for a two-day event. “Asking longer than two days is unfair to the hot rodders,” she said.

Getting back to Cr Steven, no councillor should be trying to tell business people how to run their businesses. And certainly not via the front page of the local paper. The letter from the Rod Club President in last week’s paper that sparked this issue was very confrontational and inflammatory. It tarred all accommodation owners in Bright with the same brush and presented an ultimatum that in effect said, “Meet our demands or we’ll pull the event away from Bright”. It wasn’t the right approach in my opinion. But a councillor with more nous - and who understands his role - would not have reacted as Cr Steven did. The appropriate response would be to take a calm & conciliatory approach and not add fuel to the fire, as Cr Steven’s words have done. 

Unfortunately, Cr Steven has made the situation worse by attacking those he is supposed to represent. Oh well, you elected him – I’m buggered if I know why.

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  1. Steve Jones said, on 9 December, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Ah! the plot thickens Mr Dixon….I did’nt know you were an Accommodation owner, you certainly did’nt say anything along those lines last week, but now I understand why you are jumping up & down!!!

  2. Ray Dixon said, on 9 December, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    you certainly did’nt say anything along those lines last week

    I most certainly did, Steve. Go back and read the post again, “Bright Rod Run under threat”. I said that right upfront. You might have also noticed GG advertised in the sidebar. Sheez!

  3. Tony Markin said, on 10 December, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    “no councillor should be trying to tell business people how to run their businesses”…and likewise, an accommodation provider shouldn’t be telling a rod club how to conduct a rod run.

  4. Ray Dixon said, on 10 December, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Hi Tony. You’ve got that back to front – it’s the club who is telling accommodation owners how to run their businesses (surely that’s obvious).

  5. Ray Dixon said, on 10 December, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Btw, Tony (or Gavin), please pick one name and stick with it.

  6. Tony Markin said, on 11 December, 2011 at 9:57 am

    I’m at my mates (Gav) place for the weekend. Is that a problem as well? You have made certain suggestions in your comments that read like someone trying to give advice on how to present a rod run. I reckon that qualifies my comment. As for your othher comment “Here at GG we have, like most other owners, introduced a 3-night minimum, not due to any “profiteering” but simply because of the increasing demand for longer stays. I know when we took over GG back in 2002, most of our bookings for the event were for just two nights and that was fine until it became evident that the ’2-nighters’ (who would always re-book for the next year before departing) were actually denying others who genuinely wanted to stay for longer the opportunity to also enjoy the event. The 3-night minimum that we introduced in 2009 works well and is much fairer to all concerned”….2 nighters denying 3 nighters so you make 3 nights the minimum….so the 2 nighters are booted or required to take 3 nights. If thats not profiteering I dont know what is. No doubt you’ll have yet another “I’m right” arrogant answer.
    Regards
    TONY…….(The guy staying at Gavins place and using his computer after he showed me the crap you were on about)

  7. Ray Dixon said, on 11 December, 2011 at 11:02 am

    “Tony”, I don’t care where you make your comments from, or whose computer you use, but you are also using the same email address as “Gavin”, which tends to suggest you are one and the same person. That’s why I’m asking you to pick one identity and stick with it. If you don’t like that then just go away.

    As for your comment that I “made certain suggestions in (my) comments that read like someone trying to give advice on how to present a rod run”, would you mind being more specific and saying which ones? I have suggested that one solution to the overcrowding might be to extend the event to a whole week, but I’d hardly call that telling the club how to run their event.

    And no, we did not “boot” any 2-nighters when we introduced the 3-night minimum. We’ve had much the same group of people for the last few years and most were already staying for 3 or more nights anyway. We simply applied the new requirement to any new bookings.

  8. Noel Stone - Myrtleford said, on 21 December, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Oh dear! Now it’s the Audax organisers who are unhappy with some Bright accommodation providers (see story in today’s Bright Observer).

    Is there a message in this? Doubtless there will be the usual excuses about minimum nights, but it does suggest that hubris is beginning to emerge in our fair sister town.

  9. Ray Dixon said, on 21 December, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    The Audax story looks like a beat up by the newspaper to me, Noel. Audax are NOT complaining about minimum nights, and why would they? – the event is held during an effective 4-day long weekend in our peak Xmas school holiday period. Adding to that, Audax has compounded the problem by adding another 7-day ‘family cycling’ event prior to (and abutting) the Alpine Classic, effectively creating a 9-day event. They’re just letting their entrants know where accommodation can be found, given that Bright is obviously booked out for that period.

  10. Noel Stone - Myrtleford said, on 21 December, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    The Audax website does appear to be drawing attention to the minimum 3-night say, suggesting Wangaratta & Milawa for Gawd’s sake! Here’s the link:
    http://www.alpineclassic.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=16

  11. Ray Dixon said, on 22 December, 2011 at 6:43 am

    You mean where it says this?:

    Wangaratta and district just 50 mins drive from Bright has well over 1000 accommodation beds to offer. Wangaratta is just 2.5hrs drive from Melbourne & 7 hours from Sydney.For many people who are unable to comply with the minimum 3 nights stay in Bright this is an attractive alternative.

    There’s no suggestion of any complaint about minimum stay requirements in Bright in that tiny message, which (as I understand it) is what the Bright Observer based their whole beat up of a story on. Audax are simply telling people where they can stay if they can’t get into Bright OR if they don’t want to stay more than a night or two.

    STORM.
    TEA.
    CUP.

  12. Noel Stone - Myrtleford said, on 22 December, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Ray, it is how visitors interpret the message and following on from the Rod Run broohaha the perception that Bright is becoming distinctly unwelcoming grows stronger. I sense a “take it or leave it” attitude among accommodation providers in Bright and that is not very smart.

    With 1,000 beds and probably better infrastructure than that in Bright, don’t be too surprised if Wangaratta
    steals the march on you. With a rate base twice that of the Alpine Shire they could afford to make life difficult.

    Yeah, it’s a storm alright – the problem is your teacup could well overflow, if it doesn’t collapse first under the weight!

  13. Ray Dixon said, on 22 December, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    It’s a perception being created by the paper, Noel. A paper produced in Myrtleford and controlled from Wangaratta. There’s NO SUBSTANCE whatsoever to the Audax story insofar as Audax being unhappy with Bright’s accommodation operators.

    Likewise, the Hot Rods are in Bright for the long haul despite Mr McDonald’s recent attempt to put some pressure on.

    How do I know?

    Had a meeting with CEO Ian Nicholls today who says both organisations are more than happy with the current scenario. Audax in particular has no beef whatsoever with min stay requirements as they understand the event is held in the peak holiday season.

    Wang is dreaming if it thinks it could ever attract tourists.

  14. Noel Stone - Myrtleford said, on 22 December, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Yeah maybe, but it can and does attract events. That brings visitors and that means dollars.

    Remember, Doug Sharp knows how the system works here.

  15. Ray Dixon said, on 23 December, 2011 at 9:17 am

    They’ve only got the Jazz Festival and even that is struggling. Sharp wouldn’t know how to organise a root in a brothel.

  16. Annual guest said, on 10 January, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Just wondering Ray your opinion on the new management of the bright holiday park making the rod run ‘premium’and charging 60 per night for a powered site with I believe a three night minimum? Can’t imagine there are any issues for them allowing two nights and the ordinary rate! I think price gouging in that park is definately a reality! Just look at what they are doing to the place and the higher rates they plan to charge not to mention their rediculous supply charge for power to annual sites of 71.50 per quarter with the highest per kw charge allowable also!! But I guess that is for another post! The point is I that park the attitude is definately like it it leave! Not great for the town in the long run – 33 years and four generations of my family all agree!

  17. Ray Dixon said, on 10 January, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    As I said to ‘David’ under the other post, AG, I tend to agree with you that those rates & policies seem outrageous.

    This is what I said: I’m shocked by that, David. I can’t comment about the site fees for vans & camping, etc but as for their cabin fees my opinion is they’re outrageous. Not my business of course but that’s considerably more than we charge in holiday periods and I think we offer a lot more than they do. Do they have a pool & tennis court? I don’t believe so. And we only have two rates – holiday & non-holiday and guess what? We charge hot rods the non-holiday, lower rate, about $130 per night for 2 people plus $20 per extra person. We do have a 3-night minimum but I think that’s reasonable. Look, as it’s a council owned park (leased out) I reckon that’s worth making a complaint to the council’s CEO Ian Nicholls over it. Or try Councillor Mark Steven – you know, the one who criticised private operators! Bloody hypocrites.

    So, seriously, kick up a storm about it to the Alpine Council is my suggestion. It’s all very well for the council to say they can’t control the lessee’s pricing structures but surely they have a duty of care to ensure that patrons are not ripped off and that our main caravan park (which the council owns) operates fairly. Write a letter to CEO Ian Nicholls – and especially to Cr Mark Steven – and put a copy in the Bright Observer. Make a noise. I’m still in shock over those cabin prices – what? over $200 a night for 2 people to stay in a cabin in a bloody caravan park? Huh?

  18. Scott Crellin said, on 12 February, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Ray

    As a hot rodder who has been to Bright for the last few years, I won’t be returning as the weekend has gotten overly expensive. I always booked for 3 nights, and for the last 2 years its been a stress as my accommodation was cancelled with only a couple months notice citing double booking ( no doubt longer stays). This weekend now costs me well over $1000 for 3 days with my partner. I love Bright but the costs associated with accommodation now don’t add up. Now we will be attending something more reasonable. If you don’t think the Rod Club’s concerns are real, then you have your head in the sand and ultimately, it may be your community that suffers. I don’t say this to be antaganistic, just stating one rodders position

    Scott

  19. Ray Dixon said, on 12 February, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Thanks Scott. But I don’t understand how your 3-night accommodation booking was cancelled with only a couple of months notice … two years running. If you’d paid a deposit then, legally, I don’t think the accommodation provider could cancel it. And to have it happen two years running sounds (quite frankly) unbelievable. You’re not embellishing your story a bit are you?

  20. Scott Crellin said, on 13 February, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Ray it happended, and your responses will be posted on the Ozrodders website. I don’t appreciate you calling me a liar. First time I’ve posted and you think I’m someone else. Surely my email address tells you I’m not. Clearly you have your own agenda.. Maybe it’s to see the rod run go somewhere else possibly with every other event that gives so much to your community. Who’s interests do you really have at heart, your own hip pocket or the community that benefits significantly from the investemet. Anyway, I’m not wasting any more of my time, this thread turned out to be a complete waste of my time.

    Scott, I will not publish your future comments if you continue in this vein but here is your response:

    Firstly, I know you have commented here before because your computer address (or IP), which shows up whenever you comment at someone’s blog, is the same as two other people who have commented here. The IP address does not lie.

    Secondly, I did not call you a “liar”, I merely asked if you had embellished your story about having your 3-night booking(s) cancelled 2 years running. It doesn’t sound believable.

    Thirdly, you’re just a bit too quick to jump up and down and point the finger at me, when all I’m doing is presenting one opinion on the issue. An opinion that is valid, as I’m in the industry.

    Finally, I think you’re the one with an agenda not me. Ray

  21. Scott Crellin said, on 13 February, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Really all my comments are made by a pre paid iPad so I dont know how the ip address could be the same.

  22. Ray Dixon said, on 13 February, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Neither do I, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence. All I ask is that commenters do not use multiple aliases.

    Putting that aside though, Scott, I’m not greatly enamoured with your style. Firstly you come here with an unlikely story of having had your 3-night Bright Hot Rod accommodation booking cancelled on you at late notice two years running. Presumably that means from two different operators (unless you were gullible enough to rebook at the same place after cancellation #1, which I doubt).

    As I said, if you’d paid a deposit they couldn’t legally do that to you. That’s why I asked if you might be “embellishing” your story. Not “lying”, just embellishing – ie. adding a bit for effect. Your response was to launch into an attack on me as anti-the rod event, which is ridiculous. No one has sung the praises of the Hot Rod event more than I have. No one has covered it more (in photos) and no one has done more to promote it.

    But worse still, you then threaten to bad mouth my name and business to your family, your friends and other rodders via the ozrod website. All for not agreeing with your opinion on this 2-night issue. That is straight out STANDOVER tactics and I don’t like it.

    I don’t mind reasonable debate but when you lace it with abuse and threats then my response is to tell you to get st***ed.


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